ChatGPT Plus vs Poe: price, limits and newest models

ChatGPT Plus costs $20 a month and Poe's matching plan $19.99, for 660 thousand points a month. Neither says how many messages you get: Plus publishes no count, and Poe's points buy each bot a different amount. Poe has GPT-6-Astra; Plus has Astra only in Work and Codex. llmwise Pro ($20) has up to 31 Astra messages a month.

Checked September 28, 2026: OpenAI Help Center: What is ChatGPT Plus?, OpenAI Help Center: Managing usage with GPT-6 Astra in Work and Codex, ChatGPT pricing, OpenAI: Introducing GPT-6 Sol and Luna and Poe subscription plans.

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ChatGPT Plus vs Poe, side by side

Each company's figures, checked September 28, 2026; the quotes behind them are on each plan's page.

ChatGPT Plus and Poe side by side
	ChatGPT Plus	Poe
Price a month	$20	$19.99
Billed yearly	Monthly only	$16.67 a month
In India	Not published	Not published
Limits, in brief	No fixed count; an estimated 5–45 GPT-6 Astra messages every 5 hours, in Work and Codex	Points, not messages: no points per message published
Newest models	GPT-6 Astra: not in its chat; GPT-6 Sol: not in its chat; GPT-6 Luna: not in its chat	GPT-6-Astra: in its chat; Claude-Fable-5.1: in its chat; Claude-Opus-5.5: in its chat; Grok-4.7: in its chat; Kimi-K3: in its chat
Also in the plan	“Expanded Codex usage” (ChatGPT pricing)	“thousands of others, all on Poe” (Poe subscription plans)

What limits do OpenAI and Poe publish?

“To ensure a smooth experience for all users, Plus subscriptions may include usage limits such as message caps, especially during high demand. These limits may vary based on system conditions.”
Source: OpenAI Help Center: What is ChatGPT Plus?
“660 thousand points/month”
Source: Poe subscription plans

Should you pick ChatGPT Plus or Poe?

Mostly GPT, with tools
ChatGPT Plus: one company's models, with voice, Codex and ChatGPT Work.
Many bots and video
Poe: thousands of community bots and video models, paid in points.
Counting in messages
llmwise: the newest flagships with a count in messages, not points.

Do OpenAI and Poe train on your chats?

As each company's privacy pages put it on September 28, 2026. Neither question arises on llmwise: it doesn't train on your content, and you decide when a chat is deleted.

ChatGPT Plus and Poe: training and retention
App	Training on your chats	How to opt out	Retention
ChatGPT	Yes, unless you opt out	Turn off “Improve the model for everyone”, or use Temporary Chat	Temporary Chats up to 30 days; the page gives no period for saved chats
Poe	No	Avoid third-party developer bots (their privacy shield icon says which)	Set by each model provider; it names 30 days for two

“Data controls let you choose whether your conversations help train OpenAI models.”
Quoted from OpenAI Help Center: Data controls in ChatGPT
“In most cases, no. Only third-party developer bots and apps are permitted to use your chats to train their models.”
Quoted from Poe Privacy Center

Both in one: llmwise Pro

llmwise Pro ($20) beside both plans. Its monthly counts assume the allowance goes to one model.

ChatGPT Plus, Poe and llmwise Pro: each model's count
Model	ChatGPT Plus	Poe	llmwise Pro
GPT-6 Astra	In Work and Codex only: an estimated 5–45 every 5 hours	On Poe, for points; the plans page gives no points per message	Up to 31 a month
GPT-6.1 Sol	Not named on its pages	Not offered	Up to 125 a month
GPT-6 Sol	In Work and Codex; not in Chat yet	Not offered	Up to 125 a month
Claude Fable 5.1	Not offered: GPT only	On Poe, for points; the plans page gives no points per message	Up to 31 a month
Claude Opus 5.5	Not offered: GPT only	On Poe, for points; the plans page gives no points per message	Up to 62 a month
Grok 4.7	Not offered: GPT only	On Poe, for points; the plans page gives no points per message	Up to 250 a month

Behind Pro's counts is a $7.50 monthly ceiling on AI cost, its fair-use limit: typical use stays under it, and huge messages or deep research get there first. Every limit, explained.

Each plan on its own, and more pairs

Bar chart: Messages on llmwise Pro ($20 a month), by model. Grok 4.7: up to 250 a month; GPT-6.1 Sol: up to 125 a month; GPT-6 Sol: up to 125 a month; Claude Opus 5.5: up to 62 a month; GPT-6 Astra: up to 31 a month; Claude Fable 5.1: up to 31 a month. — From llmwise's plans. Each bar gives one model the whole month; the everyday models are counted per day.

ChatGPT Plus or Poe: more questions

Does Poe have more models than ChatGPT Plus?

Poe's plans page lists GPT-6-Astra and Claude-Fable-5.1 among its bots, for points; ChatGPT Plus is OpenAI's models only. llmwise Pro ($20) has both, each counted.

How far do Poe's points go?

Poe's plans page doesn't convert points to messages; each bot costs its own number of points.

ChatGPT Plus or Poe? Ask GPT-6 Astra and Claude Fable 5.1 first

Both are on llmwise Pro ($20): up to 31 a month on GPT-6 Astra, up to 31 a month on Claude Fable 5.1. Ask one, then switch; the second answers with the whole chat in view.